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Kathalina Barroso will be sending regular reports to Socialist Resistance
from Venezuela. Liam Mac Uaid interviewed her in Caracas.
SR: What have been the big changes in people’s daily lives as a
result of the Bolivarian revolution?
KB: Healthcare is the big one. We had some healthcare before but it was
unsatisfactory. Before Chávez it was hard to get to see a doctor.
Now the public healthcare has improved and also we have this Misión
Barrio Adentro, a project with Cuban doctors. They live and work in the
barrios, which mean that they can be visited by the people who live there
and they even do home visits. There are also Venezuelan doctors supporting
this Misión.
There are three types of provision. There are public hospitals, módulos,
which are bit like small clinics and in the barrios people create spaces
where the doctors can work. Public clinics with new equipment are now
under construction too.
We also have Misión Milagro that deals with sight, heart, spinal
column operations and others. At the beginning sick people used to be
sent to Cuba for their operations. Now we have the sophisticated equipment
to do those operations here.
I have an anecdote. Last week I went for what I thought would be a quick
routine check up before starting my new job. I was given a full range
of vaccinations and a complete check up. Now we have mass vaccinations
for measles, yellow fever and hepatitis. We used to have this before,
but it wasn’t as good as it is now.
The revolution is trying to create a new kind of education. Teachers were
the one that decided about the syllabus and the timetable, everything
related to the educational system. Now, the new concept of the Bolivarian
education allows students to be involved with designing the curriculum,
the classes, and the timetable in secondary schools and universities.
The idea is to make them feel that they are part of this Bolivarian process,
make them critically minded, make them create ideas and act with responsibility,
because now they are responsible for their education.
There also some parallel Missions involved with education. Misión
Robinson, was a literacy campaign and has virtually eliminated illiteracy.
That’s why you see those billboards saying “now you can read
this”. There are two others, Misión Ribas, for secondary
schools and Mission Sucre that is for public universities.
SR: Some of the TV stations and newspapers I’ve read are very anti-Chávez.
How strong is the opposition?
KB: At the moment it’s quite weak. It’s divided between several
parties and they are competing to have the presidential candidate to oppose
Chávez in the December elections.
At the moment they are trying to exploit the tragedy of the three brothers
who were kidnapped and murdered by criminals. That’s why you see
a lot of cars and buses with en luto (in mourning) written on them. That’s
just because they are trying to create chaos in the city and to politicise
the situation.
SR: “Insecurity” does seem to be the middle class press and
parties’ main theme. What’s your experience of it?
KB: Last August two of my cousins were kidnapped. They are fifteen years
old. The family doesn’t have any idea who did it or what happened
to them. People speculate that the kidnappers sell their victims into
prostitution or sell their organs.
Two of my other cousins are studying medicine in Cuba, my family was involved
with the communist movement during the 60s and 70s, they were called guerrilleros;
many of us are active in revolutionary organisations creating co-ops and
health committees.
No rich people organised demonstrations about my cousins. We went to the
police, the army and TV stations but nothing has happened. There is this
lazy, corrupt bureaucracy in some of the institutions. But it doesn’t
mean that they didn’t do their functions. What I mean is that we
don’t mix this issue with the government.
SR: How does it affect people in the barrios?
KB: Insecurity has decreased in recent years. There are gang wars in some
of the barrios but they respect people who live there. Police often go
and arrest them, they kill people who resist arrest if it’s necessary.
But where people are organised it’s safer. In 23 Enero barrio the
residents have a system of bells and alarms they ring to scare off criminals.
They sometimes administer justice by themselves.
SR: Are people worried about the United States plans?
KB: People are happy because they are getting healthcare, education, subsidised
food and some other benefits.
They are organising themselves into co-ops, endogenous development nucleuses,
communal councils and other ways. They are following the President’s
directions.
Many people are not politically well prepared but they are ready for US
intervention even it’s not discussed as much as I think it should
be. It’s as if by not talking about it you won’t make people
panic. Even though, in some of the more pro-Chávez barrios people
are receiving military training and joining the Army Reserve and this
is something everybody can do.
SR: What sort of practical solidarity can we give from outside Venezuela?
KB: We know lots of people abroad support the revolution. There have been
so many foreign visitors in the last eighteen months.
In my view we need people with an understanding of socialism to help us
prepare ideologically and politically.
We also need practical support. There are lots of cooperatives, school
and community initiatives which would really benefit from outside expertise
and experience.
It’s necessary too to develop an active and broad solidarity movement.
We need to limit imperialism’s room for manoeuvre against the Bolivarian
revolution, especially in Britain, where Blair has already shown how hostile
he is to what we are doing here.
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